An interview with John Stroud
First posted 11 January 2005 Questions by John Freeman
After graduating from Cambridge University in 1976 with a First in English John began his working life as a runner, and later a researcher, for a small documentary company, Trans Atlantic Film. He joined Thames Television in 1978 as a trainee director. After completing his course in 1979, he stayed with the companyto work on a wide variety of programmes including drama, live transmissions, comedy and documentaries.
His freelance career began in 1984 with the first three series of the Channel 4 comedy Who Dares Wins, the second series of Spitting Image for Central and four series of the award-winning adult comedy That's Love for TVS. More Since then, he's also directed Boon for Central and KYTV forthe BBC; the very last episode of Minder for Euston Films; the comedy Game On for Hat Trick Productions; Harry Enfield & Chums for Tiger Aspect; and the sitcom Kiss Me Kate, shown by the BBC.
In 1996, he set up Big Bear Films with fellow producer/director Marcus Mortimer, the comapny responsible for five seasons (so far) of My Hero....
DOWN THE TUBES: What made you decide to become a director/producer?
JOHN STROUD: I acted a lot at University, but was sensible enough to realise I would
have been a pretty average actor out in the real world. At the same
time I started directing theatre productions and really enjoyed them.
Being a spoilt, tyrannical egomaniac helps as well, obviously.
DTB: You were a member of the Cambridge Footlights at University -- do you have any
memories of that you would like to share?
JOHN: The Footlights, though often derided by right-on comics as
undergraduates ponceing about, is an incredibly useful training ground
for two things: how to write for other people, and how to structure
comedy. Two things that stand-ups are often notoriously bad at. Best
memory? Playing Robinson in Robinson Crusoe, the annual panto, with
Griff Rhys Jones as my mum. Still the best Dame I've ever seen.
DTB: You joined Thames Television in 1978. What was it like to work for and
what programmes did you work on?
JOHN: I did 10 months training, which mostly involved following other
directors around with no idea what I was supposed to be looking for,
and then we were asked which department we'd like to apply for. The
Entertainment Department was pretty depressing at the time -- Drama would
only employ freelancers, so I opted for the Childrens department and
had a ball. As the only department that did drama, comedy, documentary,
live shows, outside broadcasts, location filming, it was a really wide
and invaluable grounding. And I got to direct Rainbow (serious
retro-cred nowadays). And I managed to sneak the UK Subs into an
episode of The Sooty Show, which will be my lasting achievement...
DTB: Was the way shows such as the comedy Who Dares Wins (a critically-acclaimed award-winning sketch show for C4), which you
first directed as a freelance in 1984, very different to the way My Hero is recorded today?
JOHN: Technically, no. But there was a much greater sense of the
possibilities of television, of taking risks and daring to try
something different. When I persuaded John Lloyd to let me direct half
the second series of Spitting Image ("I can do puppets! I've done
Rainbow"), he cheerfully admitted that for most of the first series,
they hadn't had a clue what they were doing. Hard to think of TV
companies sponsoring that sort of risk nowadays.
DTB: You've directed a variety of productions, including several episodes of the British
action-adventure
series Bugs. Do you have any memories of working on that series you can
share?
JOHN: The biggest toybox in the world. My first day on location, it took five
minutes to walk past all the trucks: scaffolders, stunts, pyrotechnics,
action vehicles, armorers. Every scene seemed to involve someone
blowing up something or abseiling through a ceiling while programming
12 computers simultaneously. The one time I found myself with just two
people sitting across a desk having a conversation, I couldn't remember
how to shoot it...
DTB: What kind of things do you first look for in a script of My Hero when
you're planning a recording?
JOHN: When we have our writers' meetings, long before the series starts, one
of the things we look for is a central, strong, controlling idea. It
might be jealousy (the Little Green Man episode), death (Living Dead, the one where
George keeps dying), or dreams (the last episode of the new series is a
cracker).
DTB: How closely do you work with the writers when ideas for a new season
are being discussed?
JOHN: Very closely, although once we're into production Jamie Rix (my
co-producer) does the lion's share of co-ordinating all the writing.
But going over a script with the writers is a crucial and enjoyable
part of the process. We rewrite constantly -- some scripts have gone to
eight or nine drafts before we're happy with them.
DTB: What's the most difficult thing about recording My Hero?
JOHN: You have a normal sitcom schedule of one show a week to rehearse and
record. But most sitcoms don't have talking babies, flying toddlers,
living-rooms that burst into flames, and main characters that turn
green or shrink to 30cms tall or... or... A week is fine for someone
coming in saying "Hello darling, I'm home": it's the fact that his head
is on back to front that screws things...
DTB: And the best thing about recording the show?
JOHN: The bar at one minute past ten... It's always a massive relief when the
whole show is in the can. And it's wonderful having such great
audiences -- those are real laughs, you know!
DTB: You formed Big Bear Films in 1996 with Marcus Mortimer. What were the
reasons for setting up your own company rather than simply continuing
as a
freelance director?
JOHN: Marcus and I met while doing Comic Relief, and quickly realised that we
were both fed up with getting great scripts or ideas sent to us by
writers, but having to give them away to other people to get them made.
Big Bear has always been driven by nurturing writers and offscreen
talent.
DTB: Do you think you have achieved what you set out to do with Big Bear? is
there anything you'd really like to do given chance and the budget?
JOHN: We'd love to do more drama, but drama commissioners can be quite
patronising about people who work in comedy. Which is daft, really --
ask any actor which is more difficult. And we've just done The Hairy
Bikers' Cook Book, a weird and wonderful documentary for BBC2; I'd love
to do some more of those kind of shows.
DTB: What was the most difficult thing to shoot for this season of My Hero?
JOHN: I don't want to give too much away, but there's a great episode where
George meets his subconscious (who looks identical). And then his
subconscious's subconscious... and so on until we had about 20
Ardals running around the room! Very complicated but (I hope!) very
funny.
DTB: Several fans have asked how you get the babies to "talk" in the show.
can you reveal the secret?
JOHN: Chocolate and electric shocks. Actually, we shoot the mouths (and part
of the nose and chin) of our two highly-talented young artistes (Finlay
Stroud and Maddie Mortimer... yes, the surnames are vaguely familiar) as
they perform the lines, and then our digital effects people at
Framestore superimpose those onto shots of the baby and toddler playing
Cassie and Ollie.
I can't remember whose idea it was to have TWO talking
infants this time round, but my ulcer says thank you...
DTB: My Hero has been bought to be remade in Germany, how is that project
coming?
JOHN: It's all gone a bit quiet on that, which is a shame because I thought
the pilot they did over there was really funny. I think there was
another sitcom airing about a wife who's secretly a witch, that they
felt might be too similar.
DTB: Finally, is there any other news about My Hero you can share with its
fans?
JOHN: Contrary to some reports, this is NOT necessarily the last series.
We're actively talking to the BBC about another one, and as soon as we
have any news we'll let you know!
DTB: John, thanks very much for your time.
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